That means 9X was END??
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Referring to this article:
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifean18Although it's almost a decade old, 9X stands for most successful OS(even it's annoying buggy) for a long while, now MS has officially terminate it`.
I'm using Win2000, which will also be killed later, however it meets my needs much... actually I 'd rather hope MS fixing existing probs in xp than making vista...well just a few cents :|
> "upgrade to a newer, more secure Microsoft
> operating system, such as Windows XP"
ROTFLMAO!
> actually I 'd rather hope MS fixing existing
> probs in xp than making vista
ROTFLMAO!
xp is good... best os MS has created to date. So stop yer hee-hawing enay. :)
XP is fantastic.
I think XP is brilliant too. Takes about 20 minutes to optimize out the generic stuff that MS added in the registry and then its head and shoulders above Win2k in performance and reliability. Especialy on older systems.
it is great has holes but everything does, much more stable than older windows versions. vista looks a bit of a waste at the moment they keep stripping it of features and its just looking like a system hog to me.
Pete
Evak, can you share any of the optimizations? I think mine works rarther slow.
yes please evak,
Vista is bound to be worse than XP
I like XP, but I'm starting to sway towards Linux more, don't know why, but I'm finding myself using it more each day!
OT: But can anyone recommend a ADSL modem for linux? I've a serial dial-up modem, which is fine, but broadband is broadband, and I want to use it on Linux! :)
Dabz
Especialy on older systems.
Too bad it isn't too great on newer ones too...
Too bad it isn't too great on newer ones too...
That's because you tested every system on the planet and know that for a fact.
Evak, can you share any of the optimizations? I think mine works rarther slow.
1a. Right-click "My Computer"
1b. Properties
1c. Advanced
1d. Performance>>Settings
1e. Visual Effects
1f. Turn off most of whats in there.
2a. Right-click Desktop
2b. Properties
2c. Appearance
2d. Effects
2e. Turn off Transition Effect
2f. Use Cleartype Font Smoothing (you don't NEED this on, but it looks 100% better)
3a. Right-click Desktop
3b. Properties
3c. Appearance
3d. Windows Classic Style
2f. Use Cleartype Font Smoothing (you don't NEED this on, but it looks 100% better)
Holy crap! I was wondering why my dual-boot Ubuntu setup looked so much clearer than XP - and now with this setting on, they both look equally clear.
Sweet. :o)
I just go through this XP tweak guide once after a fresh install, adapting it to suit my paricular needs.
http://www.tweakhound.com/xp/xptweaks/supertweaks1.htm My notebook uses xp, however I like 2000 better, too much unnecessary things in xp, M$ locks some application to "xp only" that's the reason I installed xp on my notebook.
XP pretty much IS Windows 2000, just
with a lot of extra colors and bloat !
W2K RULEZ !
Windows 98 and Me were originally due to be dropped in
2004, but they decided extended it until today. About time too I say - 2k and XP FTW! :-D
No Vista... viva XP Pro!!! XP Pro lives!!! Down with VISTA... It ain't not a VISTA if you can't see tomorrow!!!
"3a. Right-click Desktop
3b. Properties
3c. Appearance
3d. Windows Classic Style"
Man, how anyone can stand to use the old school visual style is beyond me. So ugly.
you should try disabling the Themes service in XP then you get something even uglier thanh windows classic. Didn't believe that was possible :).
Wonder if thats what the original win95 looked like?
Nope, win95 loked just like win98, but with no multicolour bars.
WinXP+Disabled themes service is the ugliest thing imaginable :-)
It's like running windows in 1280x400.
About time too I say - 2k and XP FTW! :-D
Yeah. Screw those 70 million people still running Win9x.
Could be worse, you could screw every new customer by giving them vista. Hehehe.
I wish there was a better way of showing emotion on here than (what I thought was) obvious sarcasm and smileys - 'cos they obviously don't work :-(
> :-(
HappyCat is HAPPY because he's being sarcastic! Also ironic because his name is happy. Yay!
HappyCat just thought it was obvious that no one would say something as obviously stupid as "2k and XP FTW! :-D" and actually mean it. Oh well :-(
"Yeah. Screw those 70 million people still running Win9x."
Agreed.
"Yeah. Screw those 70 million people still running Win9x."
Agreed.
Thanks! :(
Windows 98 is over 8 years old now. No sympathy.
Are you advocating some kind of Logan's Run sinario for Operating Systems? :P
Yeah, it's 8 years old, but when did they actually stop selling it? Genuine question - I really don't know.
So they stopped supporting the stone age. So what? Most car manufacturers are supporting their cars for ten years and after that you are on your own. I don't see everybody whining about that...
I am looking forward to Vista, which I am using (in various beta versions) for quite some time now.
Barney
I've got Longhorn, Vista B1 and Vista B2, i've not bothered with Vista B2 though just yet. I just bought a new PC and I don't want to use up all it's cool, super resources just on drawing the login screen :P
Windows 98 is old technology, yes it still works but so does loads of old things. I like the look of victorian cars but I would be seen driving around in one everyday.
Windows needs to keep upto date, the only way around it was stop supporting older versions. The thing I would like to see in XP is better backwards compatibility with older windows programs, most 9x games dont run at all or run with severe problems this to me seems a bit shoddy of M$.
It's not shoddy, it's progress. I don't want them spending time trying to emulate all the bugs and weirdness of their 1998 operating system in 2006. Move on.
If you want to play crappy old games, you can always buy an old PC for $20 with and play it on one of those.
I expect that Vista will be alot better soon, there's a post Beta 2 build out, and they are only now starting to work on optimizing the performance for release. I expect it will be pretty good with RC1, which is when I'll probably take another look at it.
If you want to play crappy old games, you can always buy an old PC for $20 with and play it on one of those.
Why, when I have a working 'PC' here. Surely it should run old windows programs on the latest version of 'windows'.
Only if you believe that every version of Windows is built on the same code base. It isn't. Especially not in the case of 9x versus XP (NT codebase).
I know XP is a complete rewrite by a different company other than M$, what im saying is whats the point of 'compatibility mode' if it doesnt work. Why not just say 'we are scrapping everything we wrote before so you will have to buy your software collection again but with XP versions'.
Because that isn't the case. Compatibility mode works for most apps/games. There are a few that won't. As those older there will be even less chance of them working on newer versions of Windows.
If you're not going to upgrade, you'll have to get used to living with disappointment.
HappyCat just thought it was obvious that no one would say something as obviously stupid as "2k and XP FTW! :-D" and actually mean it.
Like someone might say "Yeah. Screw those 70 million people still running Win9x." and not mean it? Being secretly ironic is difficult in writing, since the reader has a 50/50 chance of guessing whether you're being sincere or not.
So they stopped supporting the stone age.
Would that make you a caveman or something then? I assume you're more than 8 years old.
Windows 98 is old technology,
You say that as-if XP/Vista is new technology. It's just a new product.
Only if you believe that every version of Windows is built on the same code base.
That's rubbish. The same code base has nothing to do with it. The codebase for Java has changed significantly over the last 10-15 years, but you can still run even the earliest Java programs on it. Its a matter of not changing core interfaces, and deprecating those that you do need to change. The underlying code is insignificant.
If you're not going to upgrade, you'll have to get used to living with disappointment.
I have upgraded my PC through the years from the humble IBM XT to my PC I have today. I started on MSDOS 1 to XP Pro SP2 that I have today, everything was compatible and worked perfect until I upgraded from 98 to XP (the machine was 'too big' for 98).
The irony these days is that with emulators you can play pretty much any old hardware, even Playstation 2 (to an extent)
And yet there's no emulators for anything Microsoft related :)
It seems (at the moment) anyway that the only games that are gonna die a death are games written for Windows, and that is really sad!
Someone needs to make a Windows98 emulator.
well you can install win98 on winxp using somthin like vmware.
What really sucks with this byebye 9x thing is: Microsoft really tries to force people to buy XP. They just RELEASED the ultimative online vulnerability of win9x, something that cannot be fixed on thw win api layer. They just invited malware coders to use it, knowing this will bring them several hundred million $ immediately from people who will upgrade to XP.
Personally I'd say: this is the best moment to get rid of windows. At least for web access. You surely have an old machine somewhere that could be used as a linux based firewall, or as a linux web terminal. Then later you maybe gonna replace all windows machines - not only because you have found the right tools for linux, but also because it's one of the few things in this world you can do in the sense of "rage against the machine".
The sooner or later the world will be divided into soulless windows zombies and any-other-os heroic fighters.
Im not going to vista, when XP is dead im a Linux newbie :)
I'll probably go to Vista next time I build a new PC and have to buy an OS to put on it. I'll stick with XP til then.
So, anyone know where the cheapest place to get an upgrade from 98 to XP is in the UK? I guess I'm going to have to bite the bullet and upgrade sometime soon. :/
Also, how well's XP likely to run on my very modest, old machine? Specs:
Athlon 1Ghz
256MB RAM
GeForce2 GTS 32MB
I don't need/want any bells and whistles, just functionality.
Thanks.
Win98 to XP Upgrade, which is more expensive than just buying
WinXP.
Of course, when you buy an OEM version of WinXP (same product, no box), you also have to buy a bit of hardware. A cheap cd-ROM drive or something will do.
Also, how well's XP likely to run on my very modest, old machine? Specs:
Athlon 1Ghz
256MB RAM
GeForce2 GTS 32MB
I don't need/want any bells and whistles, just functionality.
It'll run OK. Another 256Mb RAM at least would be an advantage, though.
Win98 to XP Upgrade, which is more expensive than just buying WinXP.
O_O Classic!
Hmm, I'd forgotten there are different versions of XP. Should I go for the Pro version, you reckon? What will I miss out on if I get The Home version?
It'll run OK. Another 256Mb RAM at least would be an advantage, though.
Yeah, I thought that may be the case. I suppose if I bought more RAM, that'd allow me to get the OEM version of XP, though?
Thanks Gfk, and sorry to everyone else for this temporary thread hijack. :P
Should I go for the Pro version, you reckon? What will I miss out on if I get The Home version?
From
http://winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp :-
* Power user Remote Desktop - All versions of Windows XP--including Home Edition--support Remote Assistance, which is an assisted support technology that allows a help desk or system administrator to remotely connect to a client desktop for troubleshooting purposes. But Only Pro supports the new Remote Desktop feature, which is a single-session version of Terminal Services with two obvious uses: Mobile professionals who need to remotely access their corporate desktop, and remote administration of clients on a network. You can access a Windows XP Remote Desktop from any OS that supports a Terminal Services client (such as Windows 98 and, interestingly XP Home). XP Home can act as the client in a Remote Desktop session; only Pro can be the server.
* Multi-processor support - Windows XP Pro supports up to two microprocessors, while Home Edition supports only one.
* Automated System Recovery (ASR) - In a somewhat controversial move, Microsoft has removed the Backup utility from the default Windows XP Home Edition, though it is available as an optional installation if you can find it on the CD-ROM (hint: it's in the /valueadd folder). The reason for this the integration of Microsoft's new Automated System Recovery (ASR) tool into Backup. In Pro, ASR will help recover a system from a catastrophic error, such as one that renders the system unbootable. ASR-enabled backups are triggerable from XP Setup, allowing you to return your system to its previous state, even if the hard drive dies and has to be replaced. Unlike consumer-oriented features such as System Restore, ASR is not automatic: It must manually be enabled from within the Backup utility in Windows XP Pro. In any event, while there is a Backup utility available for Home Edition, you cannot use ASR, even though mentions of this feature still exist in the UI. Confusing? Yes. But it's better than no Backup at all, which was the original plan.
* Dynamic Disk Support - Windows XP Professional (like its Windows 2000 equivalent) supports dynamic disks, but Home Edition does not (instead, HE supports only the standard Simple Disk type). Dynamic disks are not usable with any OS other than Windows 2000 or Windows XP Pro, and they cannot be used on portable computers. Likewise, Home Edition does not include the Logical Disk Manager.
* Fax - Home Edition has no integrated fax functionality out of the box, though it is an option you can install from the XP Home CD.
* Internet Information Services/Personal Web Server - Home Edition does not include the IIS Web server 5.1 software found in Pro.
* Security Encrypting File System - Windows XP Professional supports the Encrypting File System (EFS), which allows you encrypt individual files or folders for local security (EFS is not enabled over a network). EFS-protected files and folders allows users to protect sensitive documents from other users.
* File-level access control - Any user with Administrator privileges can limit access to certain network resources, such as servers, directories, and files, using access control lists. Only Windows XP Professional supports file-level access control, mostly because this feature is typically implemented through Group Policy Objects, which are also not available in Home Edition.
* "C2" certification - Microsoft will attempt to have Windows XP Professional certified with the "C2" security designation, a largely irrelevant status, but one which will not be afforded to Home Edition.
* Management Domain membership - Home Edition cannot be used to logon to an Active Directory domain. For obvious reasons, the Domain Wizard is also missing in Home Edition.
* Group Policy - Since Home Edition cannot be used to logon to an Active Directory domain, Group Policy--whereby applications, network resources, and operating systems are administered for domain users--is not supported either.
* IntelliMirror - Microsoft lumps a wide range of semi-related change and configuration management technologies under the IntelliMirror umbrella, and none of these features are supported in the consumer oriented Home Edition. IntelliMirror capabilities include user data management; centrally-managed software installation, repair, updating, and removal; user settings management; and Remote Installation Services (RIS), which allows administrators to remotely install the OS on client systems.
* Roaming profiles - This feature allows users to logon to any computer in an Active Directory network and automatically receive their customized settings. It is not available in Home Edition, which cannot logon to an Active Directory domain.
* Corporate deployment Multi-language support - Only Windows XP Professional will ship in a Multi-Language version or support multiple languages in a single install.
* Sysprep support - Windows XP Pro will support the System Preparation (Sysprep) utility, while Home Edition will not.
* RIS support - See the IntelliMirror heading in the previous section; Home Edition does not support RIS deployments.
* 64-bit Edition Microsoft is shipping a 64-bit version of Windows XP for Intel Itanium systems that mirrors the Professional Edition feature-set.
Networking features
* The following networking features are not included in Home Edition: The user interface for IPSecurity (IPSec)
* SNMP
* Simple TCP/IP services
* SAP Agent
* Client Service for NetWare
* Network Monitor
* Multiple Roaming feature
User interface features
* Windows XP Home Edition has some different default settings that affect the user interface. For example, Guest logon is on by default in Home, but off in Pro. The Address bar in Explorer windows is on in Pro by default, but off in Home. During the beta period, Microsoft had intended to use a business-oriented shell theme ("Professional") by default in Pro and the "Luna" consumer theme in Home Edition. But feedback from corporate users suggested that everyone liked the consumer-oriented Luna theme better, and development of the Professional theme was cancelled. Other user interface features that are present in Pro but not Home include: Client-side caching
* Administrative Tools option on the Start menu (a subset of the Admin tools are still present in Home, however).
I suppose if I bought more RAM, that'd allow me to get the OEM version of XP, though?
No, it has to be either a motherboard, CD-ROM drive, or hard drive.
No, it has to be either a motherboard, CD-ROM drive, or hard drive.
Oh well. I could do with a CD burner, anyway.
Cheers
[edit] Actually, that CCL website says that you can legally get the OEM version just by buying
a cheap mouse - 99p (ex. VAT). Nice one. :P
Hehe, I love the named feature "Roaming profiles".
> Win98 to XP Upgrade, which is more
> expensive than just buying WinXP.
Gullibility perhaps.
Actually, that CCL website says that you can legally get the OEM version just by buying a cheap mouse - 99p (ex. VAT). Nice one. :P
Yup, didn't spot that. The cheapest hardware they'd supply when I got my copy of WinXP was a CD-ROM drive that cost £7 or something.
Guess spare parts are always handy to have.
Most car manufacturers are supporting their cars for ten years and after that you are on your own. I don't see everybody whining about that...
You're not looking hard enough I think :o)
Cars is different as 500 spare-part companies have 100% complete access to all
the parts and can make their own versions, often cheaper and better than the original !