well after more testing there's still problems... on the PC axis's report in a range of -1 to 1 like they should... on the mac they report very differently. one joystick reports from -257 to 254 on most axis's and another reports from -1 to 7 on one axis and 1(that's positive) to 3 on another... looking at the data with joystick and gamepad tester they both look to be working fine, axis ranges are -3k to +3k on the first controler and -13k to +13k on the second (which should be interpreted to a percentage and expressed as -1 to 1 I think)... since they apear to be calibrated on a hardware level, and they work in other programs without a hitch I think it's a blitz issue... any thoughts?