was worth a shot but no, it's not a first draw simptom. I put into my loading code to draw each frame of each graphics loaded for the player character and I still have 2-4milisec spike on drawimage for the player. not always on the same frame, but after playing for a minute or 2 the same frames did appear in the list more than once so it's not just their first draw it seems to be at random, random frames go from 0msec to 2-4msec. I thought maybe drawing at floating point cords could be doing it but there was no difference changing the floats to ints.