thanks for all your help. illustrator is so good i think ill save up for it. the trace function and auto fill with gap detection makes life so easy. i didnt even think of inkscape and i aready have it installed i will give it a go while saving. it does suck that i may have to use the jap names to avoid copyright. convoy doent really have the same ring as optimus prime. but its only for fun anyway.
Comic book lines
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