John J. well maybe it will put things in perspective if I say that this is the 10th year of the project and there are 258 source code files (excluding forms and resources) with a total size of 8Mb. I guess that's an average of 25 chars per line...I still only use Delphi3 and it's pretty reliable in that line count, an empty application compiles with 40 lines (and that's the form and the dpr file)