This is all very interesting, I have been doing the Lion share of my development in BB3D. I am a coder on a budget... Bmax does seem appealing, however to save a few sheckles I have been using an old version of (dare I say it ?) VB6 for my .ini Gooeys, I may go the way of Bmax in the near future..... The time required to learning a new product is always another factor. Grey does some quite impressed with Bmax's ability though.