Calc height of title bar or client area top left?

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Grey Alien
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yes it is thanks, doh, I searched for keyword Title not "Caption" in my delphi Win32 help and Title Bar wasn't mentioned in it.

So to work out the top left coord of the client area, I must get the window post and add on window border (from GetSystemMetrics and then the "Caption" height.

Before I try that, I'm halfway through trying GetWindowInfo to see if the ClientRect is any good.