ok thanks for the pointers. server change? matts the md2 character you sent me with you rts code didnt seem to have wobbly vertices it looked quite good i think anyone can live with 4096 triangle limit the highest any of my models are is 2500 ish most are 1300 ish. the sliding door thing worrys me though as with my transformers thers a lot of animation going on.
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