WolRon... you missed all my points...
Actually, it does put them into an altered state of mind. That is what all drugs do. And if someone ODs on a drug, that is their fault. It shouldn't be illegal just cause someone ODd.. oh.. and they Still OD now when it is illegal. Nice to see it works making it illegal.
No... all those drug ARE illegal. They shouldn't be.
The point I was making is that if the Pot she was doing was legal, regulated, uncontaminated, pot. It wouldn't have been laced with anything and she would have just gotten high. Not really sick.
It wasn't the pot that got her sick. It was the dealers, the cartel, and the fact that they lace their stuff to get people addicted to other drugs.
Which is a direct result of making it all illegal.
I'm against smokers that feel I need to inhale their smoke.[/quote]
So am I... Thats why I went on to say that I am all for businesses banning smoking and people not going to places where people can smoke... Laws don't chage people... YOu have to break the law and be punished before it changes you.. and even then you are more likely to just regret getting caught or be upset that it is a law.
If people expressed how they felt and voted with their dollars by not going to that resturant that has a smoking section, and even called the place up to say why they chose to go somewhere else, that will spark change. Because education works better than punnishment and banning.
I've already shown how making drug illegal is worse than legal. Take the money the police and prisons spend each year on drug crime and put that multi-billion-dollar chunk into anti-drug proper education (not just berating and drugs are bas seminars, real facts that weight the good and bad) and the drug problem will go away.
Yes, avoided based on your own will, your own choices, based on good information and not what your friendly neighborehood dealer tells you about them. A large number of schools, particularly in the drug soaked inner city, can't afford good drug education at all, and as a result, the kids learn about drugs on the street. Needless to say, that information isn't very accurate.
Not if there are no drug dealers to lace the drugs. If they are legal and sold via regulated manufacturers in the grocery store pharmacy. Who is going to lace them? the government?
However, making the drug legal will make it easier to get treatment, it will also make relief a reality. England has a system where addicts can get cheap or free fixes to keep them from turning to crime... in this country, we could have a meals on wheels like system, or a soup kitchen.. Yeah.. thats doesn't sound very safe... But lets look at the problem deeper... why can't drug addicts get jobs? There are certainly jobs that don't require a clear mind. Such as shovel'n gravel at the sand factory... They can't get hired because most of them have records. Maybe these soup kitchens can help them find work? And the only way to use these kitchens is to get a card that says I am a registered addict... but the cards are free and easy to get.
It doesn't help that drugs are illegal, it only hurts. Addicts don't stop doing drugs in jail.. they get their drugs from in prison dealers and you know who foots the bill on all this... right?
You see... this is the real kicker. Ciggs are advertised, cigg smoking among kids went down in the 80s and 90s when tv and film made an effort to remove smoking from their films... no one smoked in those films... And people who did were in a very bad light. Look at Terminator 2... did the Terminator smoke?
But now we have people smoking again... idols... people kids look up to and want to emulate... Ciggs are still advertised with cool looking people, they are still virally marketed in areas that young people (not kids) hang out.
They are still appealing to kids.. specially when they see some hero of their's in a movie (granted, that they shouldn't be watching... but I know I watched R rated movies as a kid) smoking and looking cool, then later they see a bunch of geeks on the TV saying.. Smoking is bad.. there is a chemical that is also in cow farts in ciggs... (as if methane wasn't in OUR OWN FARTS and produced by our digesting food) or Urea... they did one about that... sure it is in @#!*.. and also in beats and asparagus.
Kids don't like to be told what to do.. they respond best to being shown what to do... We constantly tell parents to set a good example because kids turn out like they acted, not like what they said... and then we go and let a bunch of movies SHOW our kids what cool is, and TELL them in a commercial that it isn't cool....
You want to know why Cigg smoking is still around? BAD EDUCATION, and BAD INFLUENCE.
Like I said... we need to teach kids about RESPONSIBLE drug use.
What is a good reason and a bad reason. What is too much. What drugs do, what they don't do, and what they WILL do.
Not all drugs are dangerous... no more dangerous than other legal drugs like asprin... If you engeneered a pill from pot that had all the positive effects of pot, and none of the negatives... in other words.. you isolated the THC and put it into a sugar pill... wouldn't that solve problems?
Someone is bound to say it.. so I am going to address it.
No... you should drive or opperate heavy machinery on pot... but you shouldn't on many prescription drugs and even over the counter drugs like cough syrup.
Erratic driving... poor driving.. should be illegal... driving is a privlidge... always has been... thats why you have to take a test to do it.
Therefore, it is a lot like security clearance... there are some things you just can't do, and are illegal, if you have a top secret security clearance... as well they should be... and driving is a clearance... you were tested... it is dangerous in it's own right and changing you body chemistry can change how well you drive.. making it so you would have failed your driving test...
So I am all for stiffer driving related laws and punnishments... such as mandatory 5 years in max security prison for your first DUI offence.
But as with all the rest... In drivers ed, there should be proper education to talk about and show why it is so dangerous...
es, but a runner can't OD on it, can he? Nor can it impair him in making critical decisions, which is what some drugs do do.
Actually, it does put them into an altered state of mind. That is what all drugs do. And if someone ODs on a drug, that is their fault. It shouldn't be illegal just cause someone ODd.. oh.. and they Still OD now when it is illegal. Nice to see it works making it illegal.
So, now you just decided what should or shouldn't be legal drugs? "It's OK to have THESE drugs, but not THOSE." Uh, isn't that what we have already?
No... all those drug ARE illegal. They shouldn't be.
The point I was making is that if the Pot she was doing was legal, regulated, uncontaminated, pot. It wouldn't have been laced with anything and she would have just gotten high. Not really sick.
It wasn't the pot that got her sick. It was the dealers, the cartel, and the fact that they lace their stuff to get people addicted to other drugs.
Which is a direct result of making it all illegal.
[quote] I'm against laws that ban smoking in public places...
I'm against smokers that feel I need to inhale their smoke.[/quote]
So am I... Thats why I went on to say that I am all for businesses banning smoking and people not going to places where people can smoke... Laws don't chage people... YOu have to break the law and be punished before it changes you.. and even then you are more likely to just regret getting caught or be upset that it is a law.
If people expressed how they felt and voted with their dollars by not going to that resturant that has a smoking section, and even called the place up to say why they chose to go somewhere else, that will spark change. Because education works better than punnishment and banning.
You can educate people/kids on drugs without making the drugs legal and without them trying the drugs out for themselves.
I've already shown how making drug illegal is worse than legal. Take the money the police and prisons spend each year on drug crime and put that multi-billion-dollar chunk into anti-drug proper education (not just berating and drugs are bas seminars, real facts that weight the good and bad) and the drug problem will go away.
Drugs such as Meth, heroine and cigarettes are extremely addictive and are best avoided.
Yes, avoided based on your own will, your own choices, based on good information and not what your friendly neighborehood dealer tells you about them. A large number of schools, particularly in the drug soaked inner city, can't afford good drug education at all, and as a result, the kids learn about drugs on the street. Needless to say, that information isn't very accurate.
And as several people have pointed out, 'safe' drugs can still be laced/mixed with unsafe ones.
Not if there are no drug dealers to lace the drugs. If they are legal and sold via regulated manufacturers in the grocery store pharmacy. Who is going to lace them? the government?
Don't be fooled. It's not the ILLEGALITY that causes drug crimes, it's the ADDICTIONS that do.
Making illegal drugs legal won't change the addictions, it will only encourage them.
Making illegal drugs legal won't change the addictions, it will only encourage them.
However, making the drug legal will make it easier to get treatment, it will also make relief a reality. England has a system where addicts can get cheap or free fixes to keep them from turning to crime... in this country, we could have a meals on wheels like system, or a soup kitchen.. Yeah.. thats doesn't sound very safe... But lets look at the problem deeper... why can't drug addicts get jobs? There are certainly jobs that don't require a clear mind. Such as shovel'n gravel at the sand factory... They can't get hired because most of them have records. Maybe these soup kitchens can help them find work? And the only way to use these kitchens is to get a card that says I am a registered addict... but the cards are free and easy to get.
It doesn't help that drugs are illegal, it only hurts. Addicts don't stop doing drugs in jail.. they get their drugs from in prison dealers and you know who foots the bill on all this... right?
Think about your reasoning. Cigarettes are legal. Has that stopped kids from trying them? And trying them is where the addiction begins.
You see... this is the real kicker. Ciggs are advertised, cigg smoking among kids went down in the 80s and 90s when tv and film made an effort to remove smoking from their films... no one smoked in those films... And people who did were in a very bad light. Look at Terminator 2... did the Terminator smoke?
But now we have people smoking again... idols... people kids look up to and want to emulate... Ciggs are still advertised with cool looking people, they are still virally marketed in areas that young people (not kids) hang out.
They are still appealing to kids.. specially when they see some hero of their's in a movie (granted, that they shouldn't be watching... but I know I watched R rated movies as a kid) smoking and looking cool, then later they see a bunch of geeks on the TV saying.. Smoking is bad.. there is a chemical that is also in cow farts in ciggs... (as if methane wasn't in OUR OWN FARTS and produced by our digesting food) or Urea... they did one about that... sure it is in @#!*.. and also in beats and asparagus.
Kids don't like to be told what to do.. they respond best to being shown what to do... We constantly tell parents to set a good example because kids turn out like they acted, not like what they said... and then we go and let a bunch of movies SHOW our kids what cool is, and TELL them in a commercial that it isn't cool....
You want to know why Cigg smoking is still around? BAD EDUCATION, and BAD INFLUENCE.
Like I said... we need to teach kids about RESPONSIBLE drug use.
What is a good reason and a bad reason. What is too much. What drugs do, what they don't do, and what they WILL do.
Not all drugs are dangerous... no more dangerous than other legal drugs like asprin... If you engeneered a pill from pot that had all the positive effects of pot, and none of the negatives... in other words.. you isolated the THC and put it into a sugar pill... wouldn't that solve problems?
Someone is bound to say it.. so I am going to address it.
No... you should drive or opperate heavy machinery on pot... but you shouldn't on many prescription drugs and even over the counter drugs like cough syrup.
Erratic driving... poor driving.. should be illegal... driving is a privlidge... always has been... thats why you have to take a test to do it.
Therefore, it is a lot like security clearance... there are some things you just can't do, and are illegal, if you have a top secret security clearance... as well they should be... and driving is a clearance... you were tested... it is dangerous in it's own right and changing you body chemistry can change how well you drive.. making it so you would have failed your driving test...
So I am all for stiffer driving related laws and punnishments... such as mandatory 5 years in max security prison for your first DUI offence.
But as with all the rest... In drivers ed, there should be proper education to talk about and show why it is so dangerous...