Please forgive me for counter-pointing that:
Which is basicaly saying "The reason nothing is being said, i because nothing is happening"?
Based on your other points, I can safely say that isn't the case. But this is the entire point of this thread, is it not?
People (some of the userbase) believe that perhaps BMax isn't the way they want to go because they have no reason to see it going anywhere. This isn't due to the language, it is due to the lack of communication. Saying nothing gives no assumptions right? In this case (future plans), this can backfire causing some to think it really isn't going anywhere and thus looking for other options which do show promise.
That's good to hear.
Then who is? If those that choose not to partake in a conversation about the future of the product, does that mean they care? Does that mean they dont? How do you determine what is important in your community?
The only way to know is to go by the opinions of those who are willing to speak up on a subject.
True, however merely pointing out that the glass is not full doesn't mean its half empty or half full. If you want to put it into a real world number everyone can understand than take the total number of individual views on this subject (thread), and weight it out. You and Warren are a small percentage compared to all that have responded to this thread, thus the majority on this subject would stack in our favor.
I guess that's the whole point of having a forum in BRL's case isnt it? To find out what your community has to say? In this thread's case I would think that the majority of those who cared to respond (and I am happy this was done in a constructive way) think that BRL's communication does lack, and that there are things that can be done through the many points made in this thread as an example to help the situation. Simply chalking it up to "your not a majority" isn't the correct way to respond to your community.
Since when does a company have to agree with it's customers? Or even think they're right at that?
They don't. Simple fact is that they merely have to provide for their customers needs/wants and they have good business. Agreeing with a customer is irrelevant since the customer is obviously paying for something. Correct, just because a customer is paying for something doesn't entitle them to more than what they are paying for, however to become a better business one would have to respond to their customers needs/wants.
Again, simply chalking a thread like this up to "ok, well, whatever" isn't the correct way to go. One would think that someone should take a discussion like this seriously because it is the thoughts and feelings of the userbase. Perhaps not the majority of the userbase, or perhaps so, its really hard to tell when not the entire userbase responds. But based on the views expressed, it can safely be concluded that this is the majority of those who care about the subject, and those who would be most affected if nothing is done.
The reason there has not been much communication recently is probably because there is not much to communicate. As soon as something interesting happens, you will hear about it via Mark's worklog or one of his forum posts.
Which is basicaly saying "The reason nothing is being said, i because nothing is happening"?
Based on your other points, I can safely say that isn't the case. But this is the entire point of this thread, is it not?
People (some of the userbase) believe that perhaps BMax isn't the way they want to go because they have no reason to see it going anywhere. This isn't due to the language, it is due to the lack of communication. Saying nothing gives no assumptions right? In this case (future plans), this can backfire causing some to think it really isn't going anywhere and thus looking for other options which do show promise.
Mark and skid are working hard right now on producing the new BMax update, which includes compiler bug fixes, compiler improvements, and of course there is the new GUI module as well. A new beta was released recently to the dev team and there should be something released publicly very shortly.
That's good to hear.
But we do, don't we? Speak for the rest that is. If BRL actually paid discussions like this any notice, then they would indeed get a skewed view of the real situation, as the people involved in these debates aren't representative of the community as a whole.
Then who is? If those that choose not to partake in a conversation about the future of the product, does that mean they care? Does that mean they dont? How do you determine what is important in your community?
The only way to know is to go by the opinions of those who are willing to speak up on a subject.
Well without being pedantic, I'd have to point out that the handful of people who disagree with Warren or me, isn't "everyone" by a long shot.
True, however merely pointing out that the glass is not full doesn't mean its half empty or half full. If you want to put it into a real world number everyone can understand than take the total number of individual views on this subject (thread), and weight it out. You and Warren are a small percentage compared to all that have responded to this thread, thus the majority on this subject would stack in our favor.
I guess that's the whole point of having a forum in BRL's case isnt it? To find out what your community has to say? In this thread's case I would think that the majority of those who cared to respond (and I am happy this was done in a constructive way) think that BRL's communication does lack, and that there are things that can be done through the many points made in this thread as an example to help the situation. Simply chalking it up to "your not a majority" isn't the correct way to respond to your community.
Sigh. No it's not. For starters the views of the customers, such as they may be, clearly aren't homogeneous. Thus BRL are going to have to chose which (if any) of the diametrically opposed factions within the community they agree with most. I wonder if you think it would be a good idea for BRL to publicly declare who they think is right? Neither do I.
Since when does a company have to agree with it's customers? Or even think they're right at that?
They don't. Simple fact is that they merely have to provide for their customers needs/wants and they have good business. Agreeing with a customer is irrelevant since the customer is obviously paying for something. Correct, just because a customer is paying for something doesn't entitle them to more than what they are paying for, however to become a better business one would have to respond to their customers needs/wants.
Again, simply chalking a thread like this up to "ok, well, whatever" isn't the correct way to go. One would think that someone should take a discussion like this seriously because it is the thoughts and feelings of the userbase. Perhaps not the majority of the userbase, or perhaps so, its really hard to tell when not the entire userbase responds. But based on the views expressed, it can safely be concluded that this is the majority of those who care about the subject, and those who would be most affected if nothing is done.