I'm tick at times - ptr confusion

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thanks for the info - custom types always passed by reference you say - eexcellent. :)

i was worried about some infinite recursive dependency of death happening if I wasn't careful. :)

something has just clicked actually, and i thank you for the help.

is there any problem with having 2 objects which reference each other in their fields? apart from sounding like ropey design in the first place?

anyhoo - cheers muchly for the help. rubbish asteroids clone coming up shortly :D