hi eBusiness...hoped you would have the answer..i just thought putting collision points on the bones was the best way to do it...but i cant get anything parented to any bone,i would still like to see it done in code coz i cant figure it out...this is guna take some time and i aint getting any younger..and i got loads og gfx to do..perhaps i should just come to the conclusion i aint got it as far as coding goes...or im just havin a bad day