maybe your misunderstanding me, The right side of the small pong is reflecting nothing there isnt anything there yet you see some sort of texture or somthing as I said before it isnt the same texture everytime. hereis another shot with the same problem...now I can run robs demo 1 and it works fine so its gotta be something im doing in code ive even copy and pasted most of robs code into mine deleting all my reflection code cause I thought that was the problem...am I missing some importent step? as far as reflecting perfect i dont care it looks fine the part that is actually reflecting